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8 FROM THE TOP » MIGUEL JORGE, OF BARRAL M JORGE November 2018 | AutoData doesn’t pay taxes), everyone were legal persons, and much of them still are. At the time, Argentina established IT legislation that was very advantageous and several companies could go there, removing the taxes was a way to hold these guys here (in Brazil), only this seg- ment, and suddenly in 58 segments. The MDIC, at the time, was against it. This initiative was not from MDIC, much of it came from Congress. We need to be very careful about that. Are you for or against incentives for the automotive industry? When I was a minister I received the people from Anfavea three times. For me it was easier, I know the automotive industrywell, I would tell my colleagues, including some that I had worked with: ‘Boy, do not tell me that because I know it’s not like that.’ At that stage there was no incentive for the automotive industry. After I left the ministry the Inovar-Auto emerged, which in my viewwas a mis- take, due to the benefits that were gi- ven. When there were crisis in which the market fell by half we were producing almost 2 million and suddenly that was reduced to 800 thousand, and inside a scenario like this I understand that it is okay to give some kind of incentive. But when there are thirty, forty industries competing like today, people with 2% market share, you can’t give any incenti- ves: if it is not competent, it has to close. It is not acceptable for Brazil to have the number of automotive industries it does, there is no country that has so many brand as there are here, it does not make sense. Has the industry in Brazil become used to asking for protection and incentives for the government? Yes,it is shocking. 80% of the meetings we had with industry sectors were held to ask for some kind of protection. No “Obviously you can’t have one single minister for the three bureaus [MDIC, Finance and Planning], there would need to be some kind of supervisory minister and deputy ministers, or executive secretaries, for each area.” He said a silly thing about this Refis is- sue, it has nothing to dowith MDIC: it has to do with the Treasury. Rota 2030 today is a Congress problem not a ministry problem, the question of the Northeast, of the Midwest is in it... There may be an understanding, an initiative from Con- gress, to put some other kind of subsidy. For example: the payroll exemptions, an absurd from the previous govern- ment. The relief was originally for just the IT sector that worked basically on legal person scheme (when the person